Drifter war on EVE, giving an ultimatum 24.09.2019

I'll try to write the B4 thing now.

"Hey all, this is Aki, I've been on B4 for close to a decade now, I changed my online name a lot here so not all my posts are visible under my current account but im sure you can find them. I've been here at least under the names Hototo, Bourbon betty, Hkelukka, Cyan and probably my real name Aki Greus.

Cant remember exactly, so, long story short, I got into a lifetime moderation and my appropriate messages got unposted as well so Im taking this to mean its time to move on. So im posting this now and going through the issues I've noticed and then explaining in short where to find me if you want to contact me again. Its been fun and educational but I do agree, its time to move on.

Firstly, I was initially interested in the idea of reaching 4thD positive but as I studied it more in depth and what life there would be like as well as what people trying to strive for that life were like, I came to the conslusion that its not a good outcome to aim for, I feel trying to reach that outcome is the same as downplaying the importance of your biological life and trying to reject "gods gift" of a physical being, it is akin to the old stories of mages trying to storm heaven to become gods. It usually ends badly. In my view the sensible action is to remain in 3rdD as long as possible and revel in the gift of physical life and then when that is over go where it is best, perhaps to 4th, perhaps to another veiled planet. I feel that most who are trying to reach the 4thD do not understand that at the beginning you literally become everyone and you lose the gift of feeling of multiplicity and of society, you feel, literally, alone. While its easy to say that my experiences are the result of Negative 4thD, I would sidestep that whole thing and laugh at it. So, my first main point of disconection is that I feel the whole idea of trying to reach 4thD from either path is counterproductive and will result in harm. From that point of view, its needless to say time to move on.

Secondly, B4 has taken a very strong stance in a political situation and side with one camp exclusively and call the other camp evil, this has become the norm in many spiritual and "left wing" forums where people try to be good, they form the outgroup and then try to destroy it to show their superiority, ive seen this happen before and after trying to, unsuccesfully, point out taht this will be bad for the community I've decided to move on and instead warn others of assoicating with B4 as it has turned from an all inclusive religion into a "our truth only cult", which is sad, but so often happens. In short, the stance on politics and many other things has converted B4 to a cult, i believe this has a bad outcome but I would prefer to leave rather than watch this outcome unfold, hope I am wrong.

Thirdly, the gender war, I was expecting a modicum of balance but the situation shifted to one where the men are always the rapists and the women always the victims, this whole discussion went to the point of considering men to be always evil and women to be always good, this has also happened elsewhere and usually leads to the militant end of the scale. While i doubt many consider it a problem, even more that its real, it was one of the final straws.

While there are a few others the concentrated effort of "bad outsider" sent towards me was reason enough to leave, add to it the feel of complete disagreement about "rejecting gods gift to become better gods" was completely against my religion, in short, i found it to be a pleasurable community for a long time, then it shifted from all points welcome and discussion about their various points into one where the conversation was directed at "Getting to 4th" as quickly as possibly and I couldnt help but feel alienated. In short, while there were conflicts points the main idea is that I found myself completely disagreeing with the religion, so im leaving.

In short, I came to believe that the goal is 51% selfish and 49% selfless and that the rest of the outcomes mentioned are traps with clear warnings.

So; I started a forum; gallareue.boards.net/

I can be found on Facebook at: www.facebook.com/aki.greus

I'm on EVE with Hkelukka and im online in various places with either Hkelukka or Cyan.

I offer healing and spiritual consultation services, you pay what you can and if you cant afford anything, I do a fair bit of work for free.

So thats about it, time for me to bow out, hope you all enjoy the community, such as it became. May your travels in the 4thD be good for you.

Heard a "Vaque threat" from B4 oriented spirits.